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Marc Bernstein: 0:40

Good morning America. How are you? This is Marc Bernstein. This is Founders' Forum. Good morning America. How are you? This is Marc Bernstein. This is Founders' Forum, and we're here again for the third show in a row with our guests Jason Sfire and Sari Greene, and it's really like I want to take you guys on the road with me.

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This would be great. This would be fun. It would be great.

Marc Bernstein: 0:57

I'd love to so this is a good combination of people. I like it. So today is part two with Jason Sfire. You've heard his story. I'm going to give you a real quick reintroduction without going through the whole thing. Jason is president and owner of multiple family-owned businesses under the name Fidelity Group Limited. They're in the real estate development and management and construction business development and management and construction business and I'm presuming that if you're listening to this show, you've listened to to to part one, because you won't appreciate part two unless you listen to part one so go back and listen to part one first.

Marc Bernstein: 1:35

go back first, exactly right, yeah, and I won't do the whole thing again, uh, but jason is very active today after having, if you heard part one, he's had two major falls in his life. One well, yeah, two falls, let's just call it. He's had over 54 surgeries and he's gone through a lot. And you haven't heard it all. You're going to hear the rest of it today, but the, as I said before, it's a story of courage, resilience, love and humanity at its best, and I think that's a great place to pick it up. Just really quick. Our topic on the last show was about this issue of this documentary that's coming out called Can't Look Away the case against social media, and I've just asked our two guests to think about it again and just have a real quick comment on it, because we want to save the rest of the time for this story. So go ahead and start with Sarah again.

Sari Greene: 2:27

Yeah, you know, the last show really made me kind of pause and reflect, and I guess all I have to say about social media right now is that I really want to kind of look more about self-directed of how I'm using social media, you know, make sure that I'm really using it in the right way for the right reasons and that I'm not responsibly and not and not harmful to to others or to myself, and so I think that's really what I've taken away from our last conversation, when I never use it to harm other people, but I have harmed myself in using it, I think we could harm other people potentially if we're telling a false story right, we're getting a false impression and so you know there's unintentional harm that sometimes we cause, and I really want to reflect on that.

Marc Bernstein: 3:08

I like that and, by the way, I wish they hadn't called it the case against social media because it's here to stay. I don't think it's, and it has a lot of good things you can do with it. It should be the case to you know, to improve social media Better, yeah, yeahourage better use, yeah.

Jason A. Sfire: 3:25

Yeah, and I think real quick. For me, this is something and you know, Marc, actually we just talked about this recently, the two of us. For me, I have opportunities to do things in advocacy and sports that I'm now in through social media, but I really have struggled with finding a good balance of how to use social media, but I really have struggled with finding a good balance of how to use social media well. So I've actually this has challenged me a little bit too, sari, to kind of say okay, if there are things I can do to advocate for people with disability, which is my passion and kind of my heart now, and social media is a really strong vehicle for that, then maybe this is an opportunity for me to go ahead and educate myself. Or, if that doesn't, if I can't do it myself, maybe hire somebody who is educated to understand how to use the tool well, because it is just another medium or tool that we can use to go ahead and advocate for business, advocate for, you know, mission and things that we're doing.

Marc Bernstein: 4:22

Yeah, see, that's what I like about this group. I have here today thoughtful people thinking about it, because there are people that just say, well, I'm not going anywhere near social media. I hate that stuff yeah and then there's the other extreme of people that are on all the time posting all kinds of things that are annoying at minimum and, you know, pretty harmful at you know, at their most it's kind of a bullpen conversation, I think yeah. But look, it's here, it's a reality, so it's, what do you do with it?

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Yeah.

Marc Bernstein: 4:51

I think it's what we're all talking about. So where we left off was you had your second fall. You were going along in life, your body was deteriorating while this was going on, and then what?

Jason A. Sfire: 5:04

Yeah, so was deteriorating while this was going on Right. And then what? Yeah, so I think I kind of took us through and we didn't talk much about timelines, but as I was describing the story, I feel like I got to around the, you know, 2008, 2009 kind of time period, and that would have been kind of when JJ, my son, that you've met Marc, who's your neighbor down here in Florida. He's 15.

Sari Greene: 5:23

My son, that you've met Marc, who's your neighbor down here, in Florida.

Jason A. Sfire: 5:25

he's 15, yeah, yeah, and and it's important that I add in here because I would really be remiss to tell my family story and our family history if I didn't mention that you know through our older daughter, abby, who was she's now 24 then she was born right after the first accident. The second accident, excuse me, so you know, back in she's 24, she, she was kind of it was back in 2001 area and then we had four miscarriages. So I'm dealing with, and my wife's dealing with, me having all of these surgeries, all of this recovery, all the things we talked about in part one, and now we have, on top of that, four miscarriages that's something we talked about because we have that.

Marc Bernstein: 6:07

Yeah, we do. Yeah, you're right, you did share that with me, so I know how traumatic that is without all the other, without all the other stuff going on.

Jason A. Sfire: 6:14

Yeah, and you know, we never really spent a ton of time trying to figure out what caused all of it, because there was too many other things, like, if you ask netty, my wife, she'd be like, listen, I didn't have time to worry about going to the doctor to figure out what was going on because you were at the doctor enough for everybody we knew. So we were just trying to survive at that point. We're taking up all the space. I was taking up the space. I'm just a yeah, I'm a doctor hog, that's it.

Jason A. Sfire: 6:38

But anyways, you know, so we get to this kind of 2008 2009 period and all of a sudden, netty comes home and she's like, hey, uh, guess what I'm pregnant and I'm like what? Like when I? I mean and I guess I shouldn't say what I think she didn't tell me. This is the part that I say. What about now that I reflect back on it was that she didn't tell me until she was like three months at this point, because there had been so many times that we would just get our hopes up as a family and then so, anyways, uh, I understand that one.

Jason A. Sfire: 7:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then, anyways, 2009, uh, the summer of 2008 comes and she almost loses JJ again. And I tell this part cause this is a miracle story. Um, so we're about ready to have our fifth miscarriage and we got on the phone with I'd said in part one, I had some. We had some great friends for 20 years from church and everything Dave and Natalie, our best friends, and, uh, they were down in Southern Illinois, in Peoria, and we got on the phone with them and we just started praying and saying, all right, we're not going to go through this again. And, um, and miraculously, nettie held onto the baby and he was born in July of 2009. Yeah, so now we've got this beautiful new son.

Jason A. Sfire: 7:45

And, uh, 2009, I kept having. That was when I kind of had another back surgery, because what had happened was, um, you know, the, the ancillary, body parts.

Marc Bernstein: 7:55

I just mentioned this to you and I won't tell my story today, but I should someday, yeah, cause both of my children ended up being miraculous as well, and a lot of thought.

Jason A. Sfire: 8:04

Yeah, and you should tell that it would be good for the listeners to kind of hear the story of the founder of you know the Founders' Forum. Hear your story someday, so maybe Sarah and I can come back and interview you someday.

Marc Bernstein: 8:14

That would be great. There's a thought We'll talk about that next year.

Jason A. Sfire: 8:19

So, yeah, now we're 2009. And what I was saying was is that my back had become the major issue. You know, you're having like wrist surgeries and shoulder surgeries, and it's kind of funny that I look back on it now and I'm thinking, oh, I'm just having another wrist surgery, no big deal. But then the back started to go because I had had two or three of initial back surgeries after the initial fall and had my hips worked on at the same time. But then now when the back and the hips started to go, everything started to get really more aggressive. You know, like everything's just starting to get really like now when you're talking about your spine, everything's aggressive. So in 2009, I have another back surgery. I had to have another follow-up to that because it didn't go well and I kind of came out of that different, like not completely different, but a little different. Then we fast forward to 2013 because after those first two Different physically.

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Different physically yes.

Jason A. Sfire: 9:14

Yes, different physically. And again I'm talking I know this is about, you know, Founders' Forum. Again, I'm a business owner, so I'm just grinding through Like I'm still working every day, I'm still leading construction crews, we're still building shopping centers. We're still building shopping centers, we're still doing things, and you're having to do all this while you're talking about the struggle of physical and it was just a lot. But I know that we got to get to the life-changing moment and I think that that's the important part, because we've already teased out the fact that I'm in a wheelchair and I golf in a cool golf cart and everything. So let's just, I'm going to fast forward to 2013 if that's okay, Marc.

Jason A. Sfire: 9:53

Yeah, um. So 2013 comes, uh, and this is it's crazy how the big life moments for Nettie and I, when it came to the physical for me, God blessed us with miracle Cause I talked about 2009 was when the back started to really go, blessed with a son. 2014 comes and 2013, excuse me. And we had tried to have another child after JJ, because we didn't want JJ because he's 10 years younger than our other. Two kids are now married and we've got two grandkids and all that JJ is 15. We didn't want him to grow up alone, so we tried to have another child. My wife had her fifth miscarriage, so we tried to have another child. My wife had her fifth miscarriage, um, so we chose to adopt our youngest boy, jackson. Yeah, and I can say that openly because he knows that and he's blessed to have that and that's part of my story as well, exactly yeah, that's the cool parallel that we share and the heart connection there.

Jason A. Sfire: 10:46

Um did it first, we did it reverse, exactly, exactly. Yeah, we, we put the caboose and you had the train car, so we, you know, I get 2013, and it was July that he was born and we had decided that we were going to adopt him when he was three months old, and we don't have time to tell his whole story, which would be another cool opportunity, but he's born in July of 2013. Which would be another cool opportunity, but he's born in July of 2013.

Jason A. Sfire: 11:14

And in August of 2013, I go in for what we call the life-changing experience. I'm going in for this would be my ninth back surgery at that point in time, and again I'm thinking back surgery at this point. You've had, I've had so many surgeries I'm probably in the thirties, I don't remember exactly where it was, but Nettie and I were like, well, it's just you know, Marc it on the calendar.

Jason A. Sfire: 11:31

We're going in for a tune-up that's the way I described it to people was because at this point you just your body's just deteriorating. So I got to go in for another tune-up. Like people take their cars in to get their breaks, I'm just going in for it to fuse another vertebrae in my spine. Um and I went in in in August and had that back surgery and unfortunately acquired MRSA in my spine, which is a flesh-eating bacteria MRSA and I acquired that in the hospital and, from that point on, had to have 22 surgeries in my spine to basically save my life.

Jason A. Sfire: 12:09

You know, every time they would take me off IV antibiotics for longer than a week or 10 days, my fever would spike back up to 103. So they'd put me back on IV antibiotics and we battled this infection from 2013 to 2017, and they couldn't find a doctor who could figure out what was wrong with me, and so I would just keep going in for these clean-out surgeries. We had seen multiple doctors at the excuse me. We went to Mayo at Rush in Chicago, at some of the best hospitals, and nobody could figure out how to eradicate which is probably the right term this infection. So and I want to get to this part because it's important, and then we can kind of have the conversation of what everything looked like I just want to point out yeah, in case people miss it that this is now.

Jason A. Sfire: 13:02

We're talking about saving your life at this point yeah, yeah, because I had I had gone septic uh, which means a blood infection, I had had kidney failure uh, couple of times In that period. My wife kind of figured out that I had had 1300 doses of IV antibiotics in that four year period and she was hanging IV bags and I was hanging IV bags every eight hours to save my life, yeah, and kind of just keep me functional. But I'm still working because that's what you know you do as a business owner.

Marc Bernstein: 13:32

You just keep working well, I think this is a good place to break yeah because then something happened and we'll talk about that. I think it's important, um, so keep listening.

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Marc Bernstein: 15:07

We are back on Founders' Forum with a fascinating story with Jason Sfire, we have Sari Greene in the studio with us, and so then, yeah, I guess, so that is a good way, yeah.

Jason A. Sfire: 15:20

So and this is a cool moment where another person from our local church, a good friend of my wife, and she, her family had given a lot of uh, her, her dad, actually his life was saved in Northwestern. So the family had blessed the, the hospital with a nice endowment and so she had some connections there and she goes. You know what? There's this doctor I just read about at Northwestern Memorial Hospital downtown which, if anybody's looking for a hospital, go to Northwestern. I mean not only because they saved my life, but because they're just amazing. And her name was Gretchen and she came to my wife and she said you know what? I don't know, I just read about this doctor. He just had this write-up in MD World, whatever, and he's supposed to be one of the renowned spinal revisionists, which means he revises people's surgeries that go bad.

Jason A. Sfire: 16:15

Well, as I described previously, that's exactly what happened. So we went to see Dr Tyler Kosky and it's crazy because we had probably seen 10 to 12 doctors at this point to try and figure out what was going on and how to stop this infection. And I've already had close to 17 or 18 surgeries because I ended up having four more with Dr Kosky and he walks in and like that screen. That's right there, Marc, in front of us. You go to Northwestern and they make you do 50 x-rays. It felt like they do their own MRI, they do their own CT, they do all their own testing because they're like no one else is good at this. We're going to get what we want, which I appreciated. Puts all my stuff up on the screen and he points to it First of all. He says how are you, by the way? And then he goes I know what's wrong with you, I can fix you, but you're never going to be the same by the way you did skip a part that I have to tell you about.

Marc Bernstein: 17:05

You got there and somebody told you you're not seeing the doctor right away. Yeah, you're right, you got to go do all this.

Jason A. Sfire: 17:15

And I'm like are you kidding me? I have had so much testing. I'm like I've got this. Like my wife was carrying around a suitcase, literally a rolling suitcase full of stuff, but anyways, yeah, and he says that to me, he goes I know what's wrong with you, you know I can fix you, but you're never going to be the same. And we're sitting there going like, what does that mean? But it didn't really matter, because just the fact that we finally found somebody that first of all didn't say, oh, you're a conflict of interest because you're someone else's patient that has gone bad, he's actually willing to help. We were like we're signed, what do we got? We got to do. Well, he described the process and it was. It was going to be a series of multiple surgeries, um, and it would all depend on what he found when he got in there on the first surgery.

Marc Bernstein: 17:59

Stop you for one second. There was a point at which I remember you said I don't want to do this anymore, I did yeah, yeah, and that was prior to this it was.

Jason A. Sfire: 18:07

it was right before that that I that I almost you know I was never to this. I think, right it was. It was right before that that I almost you know I was never to the point where, thank God, where I was suicidal or anything, but I had literally just said if no one else can fix me, if this is going to take me, then this is going to take me and I'm done. I was so exhausted I told Nettie that and she said there's no way. She said that we're not, we're not even entertaining that hero yeah, the heroes for sure.

Jason A. Sfire: 18:37

She said yeah, she said we're not going down that path. She brought a picture of our kids and she said if you won't, fight for me and not that I wouldn't but she goes, look at them and when you think about that, like you're just like, okay, time to put on your big boy, you know, pants, tie your boots a little tighter and let's go. But it's hard, I mean, you know you. You get to a point where you're continuing to just have trauma after trauma, after trauma, and I can deal with the pain, I can deal with the trauma.

Jason A. Sfire: 19:09

Sometimes it was the letdown of cause. You know, like everybody probably has this, when you go to a doctor, you want a solution, you want a doctor to tell you what's wrong. That's why you go to a doctor and you're seeing all of these doctors and they continue to just tell you I either can't help you, I don't want to help you, or I don't know how to help you. Right, and I was ready to just kind of say you know what, if this is it, this is it. And I have many friends now who I call them friends, but many people that I've spoken to have been in similar situations to this, that have been in the same place and I get it. So if you're someone out there listening, that's in that situation.

Marc Bernstein: 19:55

Yeah, I get it, but don't give up. So I wanted to make sure we covered that. Now we're back to the doctor's office.

Jason A. Sfire: 20:01

Yeah, so we're in there and he describes the surgery process. It's going to be multiple surgeries. Know what we're dealing with. When we get in there is what he says Great, Get in there, Get in your body right when he did tell you like he did say you'd be in a chair afterwards.

Jason A. Sfire: 20:18

Yeah, well, it was after. He kind of said you're never going to be the same, and we didn't know what that meant. So we, you know, got inquisitive and he said I don't think you'll ever walk normally again. Didn't just say a chair at first. He said it depends what we find, but after surgery, right.

Jason A. Sfire: 20:33

So I ended up having four more surgeries. I had a posterior approach, which means they opened up my back again in two different places, so there's like 22 inches of scar on my back. They went in through my left side and then they went in through my right side because they couldn't find. When they got in there, they couldn't find any good bone because what had happened was the infection had jumped on all the metal that they had put in there from these previous nine back surgeries that I described up to 2009. And you can dump all these antibiotics into you, but it doesn't kill it on the metal. It kills it in your bone and your soft tissue, but it's not going to kill it on the metal.

Jason A. Sfire: 21:13

So basically he had to take all of those previous nine surgeries which, to describe for everybody, it's it's I'm. I have a spinal fusion, basically from my sternum all the way to the end of my spine. So you're talking rods and screws and you had to take it all out and start over you had a lot of metal and you still have a lot of metal yeah, I have less metal now because thankfully we've had it removed, um, after things.

Jason A. Sfire: 21:39

but yeah, so he got in there and found that there wasn't. You know, I wasn't fusing my, basically my spine, for about 14 levels, 14 vertebrae was putting. He described it to my wife is what he described? That it was putting Um, and he said now we're going to have to do all four surgeries, um, and that's kind of when I came out of those four surgeries and then you go to what's called, you know, outpatient rehab.

Jason A. Sfire: 22:06

I was inpatient for a while. Then I go to outpatient rehab trying to relearn how to walk, because all the trauma to my back and all the scar tissue and the infection had actually eaten holes in my dura and into my spinal cord. And then when those heal, they cause scarring. So then that scarring basically now you have scarring on the inside of your spinal cord that can never be healed and never be changed. And if anybody knows anything about scar tissue, once you have it it just continues to build and build and build. And if they can't debrief it or get it out, unfortunately it just continues to make your lower extremities weaker and weaker. So that's why I'm in a wheelchair. Everybody Big surprise.

Marc Bernstein: 22:49

But that hasn't slowed you down either.

Jason A. Sfire: 22:52

No, you know, it's just been an incredible opportunity, to be honest, for me having to experience disability. It took me a little while to accept the fact that I was going to be disabled the rest of my life, for my wife, for my kids, but we looked at it as another challenge, you know, and as a business owner and an entrepreneur, as we've been talking about right, I was just kind of like what's the next hill to take? That's what I'd said to myself, and my wife has been my biggest advocate through all this and all she ever says is listen, remember that you have a family first. You've got a business that we need to make a priority, but go fly. And she's been a great support through all that. So, um, what I? And she's your biggest cheerleader.

Marc Bernstein: 23:41

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure she is. Sometimes she's a little, you know, a little stern with me, but she's Right. That's why I'm sure she is.

Jason A. Sfire: 23:50

But no, it just kind of catapulted me into what's next in my life.

Marc Bernstein: 23:55

You just made a good point, though If you had not had the challenges of being an entrepreneur in the hills and the valleys and the challenges, maybe you wouldn't have been as well equipped to handle this.

Jason A. Sfire: 24:09

I totally agree because I think it takes leadership to lead in these hard times and if I didn't have that prior leadership experience of creating and building businesses and things, I don't know that I'd be equipped to deal with all this.

Sari Greene: 24:22

I'd imagine the role model that your father played was big.

Jason A. Sfire: 24:25

Yeah, it was, and his dad. He lost his dad when he was 18 years old and he really, you know, kind of created something out of nothing. So, through that whole time being able to see, you know for me that like okay, I just got to keep one brick on top of another one brick on top of another, one brick on top of another.

Marc Bernstein: 24:42

Well, another important thing, and it's a really good point, and I want to also point out that, when you say leadership, because what I've learned recently, I used to have a vision of leadership as leading other people, but leadership really starts with leading yourself and being an example.

Jason A. Sfire: 24:58

Yeah, if you can't get out of your own way, right, and I, you and I always describe it as you can't take someone. You can't take someone. Uh, how do I always say it Interesting? Uh, you can't go, so you can't take somewhere. Nevermind, I can't remember.

Marc Bernstein: 25:13

We've been talking about a lot of stuff either way we're we're getting a lot of lessons from, from from speaking to you. Um, we don't have a whole lot of time left. I want to ask you real quick about your future vision.

Jason A. Sfire: 25:23

Yeah.

Marc Bernstein: 25:24

For the next three years, because I know you have a lot on your plate and a lot of things you're doing.

Jason A. Sfire: 25:29

It's good, it's exciting. To be honest, I haven't been this excited in a while. After becoming disabled, it was time to learn how to find my wheels instead of find my legs.

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you know, find my wheels instead of find my legs figure out who I was, what was? In store yeah it is.

Jason A. Sfire: 25:44

Yeah, it's my nickname Somebody gave me on the golf course at Babcock Ranch. But, uh, I'm excited about the next phase because it's actually kind of solidifying, uh, the dream that my dad and I've had together Dad 35 years ago when he started the company, me 35, 33 years alongside him and leading the companies for the last almost 10 years we're actually going to sell the portfolio of properties, we're going to finally monetize it and see the fruits of both of our labors, but we're not done. You know what I mean. That doesn't mean you're done. We're going to do some exchange stuff and we'll still have a nice portfolio of properties. I just want to get to a point at some point where things can be a little less for me.

Jason A. Sfire: 26:31

And then I can focus a little more on some of the missional aspects of, I think, what God has for me which I've been leaning into but it's really hard to do both and balance both. Leaning into, but it's really hard to do both and balance both. So I have a lot of opportunities to advocate for adaptive athletes and people with disability, to speak at conferences and do things like that and then coach because I coach right now, you know, wheelchair football, wheelchair pickleball and instruct for golf a little bit, so really want to lean into that and then just maybe lean into being a grandpa a little bit and spending time with my boys that are still at home, my adult children and my grandkids.

Marc Bernstein: 27:08

And you're an athlete advocate, so now we know what that means.

Jason A. Sfire: 27:11

Yeah.

Marc Bernstein: 27:12

And you're serving on several nonprofit boards that we talked about, and we're almost out of time, so I do want to ask you, because you've said a lot over the last couple shows and it's a question that people often choose to be asked on the show which is, if you could speak to your younger self, what advice would you give you?

Jason A. Sfire: 27:35

I'm sure you have some thoughts about that, yeah, and I think that'd be easy for all the listeners to understand what that would be, because we talked about it. My younger self was a could be an arrogant knucklehead at times, you know and didn't. Who among us would you say, right, right. So I would just say to myself you know, hey, maybe let's think a little bit more before we react, right, let's take a little bit more of a discerning look at some of our decisions. But I also am proud of the younger myself because, as I described, there was a lot of perseverance and a lot of determination to kind of live through everything I've been through well, I just want to tell you and this goes to Sari as well, but especially to you as my next door neighbor- yeah.

Marc Bernstein: 28:22

I mean, I just feel so fortunate that you are and since we've engaged and we've been talking the last few weeks, it's really been a powerful, powerful thing in my life and I'm proud to know you.

Sari Greene: 28:34

I know I can't wait to get to know you better and I'm really looking forward to meeting your wife.

Jason A. Sfire: 28:39

Yeah, she's a rock star, she's something, she's great.

Marc Bernstein: 28:42

It's hard not to meet her because she's everywhere I go. She's there.

Jason A. Sfire: 28:44

Yeah, she's a little so yeah but it's a pleasure too and I really appreciate you asking me to be a part of this, and I'm excited for all your listeners right to continue to listen to your shows, and many entrepreneurs and founders of businesses that got great stories.

Marc Bernstein: 29:02

Thanks so much and thank you all for being here and going on this journey with us, and I look forward to speaking with you again next week on Founders' Forum.

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