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Entrepreneur, founder, author and financial advisor, Marc Bernstein helps high-performing business owners turn their visions into reality. At March Forward, Marc and his partners and associates think out of the box to partner with their clients in regards to their visions for their lives, their businesses and their legacies. And through his innovative work with the Forward Focus Forums, Marc connects entrepreneurs to resources that help to fuel their success. Founders’ Forum is a radio show and podcast where entrepreneurs share their journeys, revealing the stories behind their successes, and the lessons they’ve learned. Join Marc and his guests for a mix of inspiration, valuable insights, and a bit of fun! Now, let’s dive in...

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Anxiety And Building Through Fear

Marc Bernstein 0:54

Up there we are. We got some volume. So it's a lovely, not sunny day in Philadelphia, despite its reputation being always sunny. And we are here, and it's a but it's a very pleasant day. And I have in the studio with me a friend of mine named Mark, and I will formally introduce him as a minute as I always do. But we always start with a a thought for the day. I'm going to switch it up on you. I just decided this because I'm going to be very transparent. I'm having a little nervousness going on today. And you and I happened to have a conversation about anxiety recently. So I I'll just tell my story and then I'll have you comment on it, and then we'll get into our real thought of the day. But I have this thing going on. We're settling on a house tomorrow. We're buying a house or selling a house. Not a big deal. I've done it many times in my life. Commercial buildings, all kinds of stuff. But for some reason, this process of loans and uh the whole settlement process, maybe it's gotten harder, maybe I'm getting less patient, whatever it is, it's provoked a lot of anxiety. And I had a little thing I had to run to my bank to get some records first thing early this morning, a day before the settlement. And I came and I'm feeling great now, but I came in like a bag of nerves for a minute there. So and I've expressed to you why am I feeling like this? And I'm still gonna figure that out. But I did find out a few years ago. I did some kind of experiment when I was a member of EO. We had somebody come in who was like a coach leadership kind of guy, and he um he did this meditation process, and I volunteered to be the guinea pig. And he said, When you go in really deep and look inside, what do you see? And I was like, Holy mackerel, I see anxiety, and I never really realized it. So I realize it's there, and since I've been recognizing it, it goes away pretty quickly now. It's like you know, certain things you see it and it disappears, you know, it's kind of like that. So what do you you've never had anxiety?

Mark Wagner 2:55

Oh, I never had anxiety. We spoke about anxiety because I was sharing my anxiety that I'm going through. And actually, I think I called it fear, yes, is where I was at first. As you start to grow or change comes, and you you're you're creating is what you're doing right now. You're creating a new home, a new establishment. And in creation, what it dawned on me was that I do have anxiety or I have fear, or and that's what we were discussing. So I think it's natural, it's normal. The question is, is how do you work through it and create through it?

Marc Bernstein 3:26

So I on the show, I try to, you know, we it's a very it's a short program built for entrepreneurs. It doesn't go real long. And I tried to get a little deep if we can. I knew with you I could go right there and we wouldn't have any problems. It's fine. So we're we're transparent, and I thought I thought it would go there. On the lighter side, although maybe it's not the lighter side, uh, you and Jen's here today.

Founding America Then Founding Companies

Marc Bernstein 3:46

Your lovely wife is with you, and you guys are visiting Philadelphia for the first time.

Mark Wagner 3:50

First time.

Marc Bernstein 3:51

On the heels of being in Washington, D.C.

Mark Wagner 3:53

Yes.

Marc Bernstein 3:54

And it's on the brink of America 250 or the semi-quincentennial.

Mark Wagner 4:00

Congratulations, you got it out.

Marc Bernstein 4:01

I got it. And uh and it's a big deal for the country, and it's a big deal in Philadelphia, and it's at a very interesting time because a lot of people feel that our democracy, this experiment, is really being tested right now. And every day, I mean I listened to a little bit of the news on the way in, it's unbelievable all the things that are being tested on a daily basis. So um, what was your experience in Philadelphia? Because I know you saw a lot of the historical stuff, and and and what can you bring to the table around that?

Mark Wagner 4:30

So I kind of went backwards because we started in D.C. because I was there for a uh NRHC National Rental Home Council leadership summit that we were doing, and we're meeting with Congress and D.C., by the way, was the third, I think, capital of the United States. Yeah, well, so Philly was the first.

Marc Bernstein 4:45

Correct.

Mark Wagner 4:46

So we walked it and and the size and just the magnitude of what it is was overwhelming to an extent. So then we come to Philly and we're staying in Old Town, and so we're walking the exhibits there. And the biggest thing that surprised me was from being in the halls of Congress and going and meeting with congressmen and senators and having conversation, and then coming in to see the historic origins of our country and see how small those rooms were.

Marc Bernstein 5:16

Right. Little literal. When you're talking about size, you're talking about literal size

Mark Wagner 5:20

literally physical size. It was it was a very small room with you know 13 tables, and that's what you were looking at to get started. And it m Don Dami, these were our founders, and I know that we're in founders forum. The founders, with where it was and where it is today, there's major growth. What it what a great uh to me, I think it's a great segue into with what you're talking about with your radio show, is the founding fathers and what their envision was. Now, it may not be exactly what they want today or what they envisioned, but it the size and the growth of it and what it's become was just impressive.

Marc Bernstein 5:56

It's really I love I love that observation. I love how you relate it to the show. I couldn't have done it better. And when you think about it, we wouldn't be here as founders of businesses if it weren't for those guys, you know?

Mark Wagner 6:07

True.

Marc Bernstein 6:08

True. Washington, Madison, Jefferson, Franklin, all those guys, right, who were sitting in that little room and signing the Declaration of Independence. I mean, it's it's it's beyond anything the world ever experienced, if you if you think about it. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

Mark Wagner 6:21

So think about your comment about anxiety. What's the chances they had a little anxiety signing that Declaration of Independence? Trevor Burrus, Jr.

Marc Bernstein 6:28

If if you really get into it, if you go to the Constitution Center and you hear some of the stories, there was a lot of anxiety. That's it's obvious. There was a lot of infighting, there was a lot of arguments, there was a lot of, you know, and we're still arguing about it today, what democracy should look like and what the country should look like. It's pretty amazing. So uh but great observations, I love that. So the

Humble Beginnings And Craftsmanship

Marc Bernstein 6:49

fellow you're listening to here is Mark Wagner, who's co-founder and CEO of RM Interiors. Mark's story in the flooring industry began long before RMI. For 15 years he works he worked alongside his brother building Wagner Brothers Tile, where he learned the business from the ground up, installing floors, leading crews, developing a deep appreciation for craftsmanship and for hard work. Those early years shaped his understanding of what it takes to build not just a company, but a team and a culture that lasts. In 2005, that's just 21 years ago, which is a long time, but probably feels like a short time in a lot of ways, Mark and his brother launched RMI, quickly becoming one of Arizona's leading providers of custom home flooring. When the housing market shifted in 2008, Mark saw opportunity where others saw challenge. Recognizing the growing single-family rental or SFR industry, he guided RMI into a new chapter, building relationships with national partners and helping to define flooring standards for that sector. Under his leadership, RMI has grown into a $70 million company with 15 locations across major U.S. markets. Today, RMI is known for its reliability, consistency, and partnership-driven approach, values that reflect Mark's own leadership style, which I can personally attest to. Mark believes success comes from people, from installers to executives who share the same commitment to growth and integrity. His leadership is grounded in the fit FITT to grow values that define RMI's culture. They stand for forward thinking, integrity, teachable teamwork, and growth. Relentless ownership and workability. He leads by example, fostering transparency, accountability, and a genuine sense of purpose amongst his he amongst his team. For Mark, building RMI has never been just about business growth. It's about building people, relationships, and a company that others are proud to be part of. It's quite a quite a resume, quite an accomplishment. So I always like to say, let's start out with your humble beginnings.

Mark Wagner 8:59

Humble beginnings. Okay.

Marc Bernstein 9:01

Because I know you didn't weren't handed a silver spoon. I know that for sure.

Mark Wagner 9:04

No, my my brother and I uh actually I was fortunate enough to be actually a halfway decent athlete. So played a little college ball. And then when I realized I wasn't going to be able to keep going, I had to pay for school. I was working with my brother. Um he had gotten a job um installing carpet and vinyl. And so he had me go with him one day, said, Hey, just come with us and work. And so I worked one day. I dreamt that night. I had dreams about carpet and vinyl. I thought I am never doing that again. I had nightmares. But I went back and as time went, um, we became, I decided, hey, I was making more money doing installation than I would be if I finished a business degree. So I never finished my degree. Uh we grew up uh basically section eight housing. Um, mom and dad got divorced, mom went to school, and so we lived government subsidized until um, I think I was probably a junior in high school. My mom finally bought a condo. I think it like we think of interest rates today. I think she was like 13% is what she was paying. But we got a condo, we had a house, and so went from there. So as as we evolved, we started installing, we started hiring people to go that way. We launched our own company. Uh Wagner Brothers Tile was launched, I think, in maybe '93. And within five or six years, we were up to about a hundred guys. Wow. And uh we were installing and doing that and became, you know, pretty well known in that area for craftsmanship and and you know, the values that you spoke of with the fit forward thinking, integrity, teachable, and teamwork. That was what we were. And we didn't have those values back then. We actually sat down maybe four or five years ago. Y

Marc Bernstein 10:41

ou didn't have them enunciated at the same time.

Mark Wagner 10:42

We didn't have them yet written. Yeah. But four or five years ago, we sat down and looked at them and said, well, what are our values? And it was, well, this is who we are. And so it was very easy to come up with that. But um, so from there we kept uh building it up and we ended up um getting a little bit into real estate because again, entrepreneurs are constantly looking. I was spending so much material for material sundries that it was like, okay, I want to buy them direct. How do I accomplish that? So we went out and created that. We had to get a location, and so from there it evolved and we got into a point where we had a showroom and got into high-end custom homes. That was our mainstay. And as time went, uh the economy changed and 2008 hit. And

Recession Pivot And Courthouse Auctions

Mark Wagner 11:29

you know, I remember my payroll was I think it was $200,000 a month, and I sold $19,000 of materials that month. And I thought, okay, this is not sustainable, obviously. Time to pivot. Yeah, we need to pivot, we need to pivot quick. So we started looking in other directions. Um, you know, you mentioned the SFR industry. I didn't, it didn't exist at that time in the domain or the realm that it is today. That came out of that recession, though, right? It came out of recession. So what happened is uh one of my custom builders that we work with, uh Diamante Holmes, Jim Adcox, we were talking and he said, Hey, let's uh go to the auction because I hear they're selling houses pretty cheap. Let's just we'll just fix them up and sell them. So we went down to the auction, the courthouse steps in Arizona in June, July. It's 110. It's hot. And I watched a let's say 22, 23-year-old kid come out with a briefcase and a folding chair, and he sits it on the middle of the courthouse steps, and it's a big slab of concrete. And he sits down and he starts rattling off, you know, property numbers and addresses and opening bid. And I watched six guys, there's probably six guys there, buy 200 houses in an afternoon. And so, as we were talking to him, we asked them, hey, how do we do this? And they said, Well, here we'll help you. And I think they wanted to get rid of us. So they helped us buy a house. So they bought a house sight unseen at the time. Drove out to the house, it was trashed. So I thought, okay, well, if this one's trashed and there was 200 bought, good chances are there the other 200 might have or 199 might have an issue. Good chance they might need some flooring. Good chance they might need flooring. So I went back to my staff and I said, This is what you're gonna do. You're gonna go get a cooler and you're gonna fill it with whatever these guys want to drink and galves, and you're gonna get umbrellas, and you're gonna get chairs because they were all standing. And I said, and you're gonna set them up every day, and you're gonna get to know these six guys because there's something there. And from that, we started working with some of the guys.

Marc Bernstein 13:25

These were the guys working on the 200 houses that the other guys bought.

Mark Wagner 13:29

The guys, no, no, the guys that bought the 200 houses on the auction steps. Oh, yeah. So we would show up every day with two or three coolers. Yeah, they were the ones buying. And we'd set them up umbrellas. We were like little cabana boys. We were hooking them up and saying, Hey, what what do you need? And you just got to know them. And from that, on the backside of that, um, another company came in and started working with some of the guys there. And I remember having lunch with one of them, and they suggested they said, Hey, can you do all of our work? We're gonna get a lot of money. And I said, Sure. And he goes, Yeah. He mentioned the number and it was in the billions, and I didn't click to what that was, but I was like, Yeah, no problem, I got you. And about two weeks later, he says, Okay, here's 300 houses. You need to go get them figured out. Um, so I figured that out, got that done. And a couple weeks later, he says, Hey, I just bought 300 houses in California. Can you do those? And I said, Sure. So I had no clue what I was doing.

Marc Bernstein 14:22

No people in California, right?

Mark Wagner 14:23

Yeah. No, no people in California.

Marc Bernstein 14:26

This is actually a very good time for us to we're we're gonna get back to this, but we we're gonna take a quick one-minute break and hear a little bit more about RM Interiors, and we'll be right back on Founders Forum.

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RM Interiors is a family-built flooring company that grew into a national, industry-leading partner. Today we install about 35,000 homes and apartments per year across 13 states — supporting builders, multifamily operators, and single-family rental portfolios with flooring materials, installation, and project management. Customers feel a difference in transparent communication, timelines, and quality when they switch to RMI. No surprises, no chasing updates, no padded bids. Every measurement and every line item shared with our clients. If you're building or managing homes or apartments and your flooring partner isn't keeping up, we should talk. Visit RMIFlooring.com or call 833-641-4912 for more information.

Marc Bernstein 15:22

We are back on Founders Forum, and we're actually live on WWDB Radio in Philadelphia with my guest today, Mark Wagner, and so glad to have you here, Mark. We've talked about doing this for a long time. It's great to be here. It's good to good to be here. So uh we were just talking about California, how you just got all this business in California. It sounds like you hit upon a winning formula there.

Mark Wagner 15:45

Well, you know, um luck and also um creation.

Marc Bernstein 15:50

Right.

Mark Wagner 15:50

So lucky, luckily caught up with the right people at the right time, and uh then we performed.

Marc Bernstein 15:55

And creation taking advantage of luck when you see it, maybe.

Mark Wagner 16:00

Yeah, I think it is. That's a good as a I I like that. Yeah, but it's it's okay. Well, some putting yourself out there and being in a position where I could have rolled over and folded and said, Hey, yeah, it's just not working, we've got to do something different. But you know, the California thing, he I was just Arizona, and and they said, Hey, we've got some work in California. And I jumped in my truck, I think I spent a week driving around California chasing carpet guys for installation to be able to set it up. Created a business there, set it up, and then it continued to do that across the country and all the markets that they went to.

Marc Bernstein 16:31

So, how many locations do you have today?

Mark Wagner 16:33

Currently, I think there's 17 locations, and we're in 13 states.

Marc Bernstein 16:38

Quite a story. And how many employees today?

Mark Wagner 16:40

Uh about 110.

Marc Bernstein 16:42

Mm-hmm. And you've got a whole leadership team, I know.

Mark Wagner 16:45

Yeah, we've got uh uh executive team that goes from there and directors and built it out to kind of go from there.

National Growth And Cash Flow Lessons

Mark Wagner 16:51

So my travel was stopped for the first. Probably my wife might be able to attest this better, Jen may be able to, but my first seven years, I was gone a lot. I was traveling, I was doing a lot because it's just what is just what you had to do to go out and create it.

Marc Bernstein 17:07

So, you know, we we talk a lot about on the show. So you had you had some luck and some creation, and things started to kind of explode. Um and it was it just an easy, smooth ride from that point.

Mark Wagner 17:18

Oh, it was a piece of cake park. It just started rolling and no, actually, here's a kind of a cute funny story. Yeah. I was so you grow, if you grow too fast, you run out of cash. Number one reason why businesses fail is they grow too fast. Yeah. So I'm growing, and which I always thought that was a funny statement. How does get how can you fail if you're growing too fast? Well, you run out of cash.

Marc Bernstein 17:38

Right.

Mark Wagner 17:39

And I had basically um I hawked the house, I hawked everything I could possibly hawk. Finance is a big part of successfully. To be able to get cash flow, to be able to keep growing. That's exactly right. So I got to a point where one of my largest clients, they owed me a couple million dollars. And it was just normal terms, but I knew payroll was coming and I had used all the money and had gone from there. I mean, we went from uh two million dollars in revenue to 40 in you know, two years.

Marc Bernstein 18:08

Wow.

Mark Wagner 18:09

So to stretch that cash out and to make everything go, I'm working with the. They went crazy. Yeah. Everything kind of continues to go from there. So the uh I went to one of the guys that owned me and I said, I will give you half of my company. I'll just sign it over to if you just pay me today.

Marc Bernstein 18:26

Wow.

Mark Wagner 18:26

Because I knew I wasn't gonna be able to make it if it didn't go that way. And and luckily I worked with a couple banks, I found a small bank uh that would work with me, and within about a week and a half, they gave me a uh a decent size uh line of credit that I was able to fund everything. I didn't have to give up half the company. But that's basically where I was. It was like, okay, we're moving, let's keep going. Uh to how many years ago was that? Oh, that was probably 2014.

Marc Bernstein 18:52

Yeah, so not so not that long ago.

Mark Wagner 18:54

Yeah, 10, 10, 11 years ago. Yeah, amazing.

Marc Bernstein 18:57

Um, so that was one challenge you had. What what other kinds? I'm sure you had people challenges along the way as an example. Yeah, that you know, I think one of the biggest challenges I've had is my own personal growth. I I've, you know, I I joke with my the largest amount of volume we've done, I've joked to say, I know how to get to there, but I know how to get one dollar over. And so how do I grow myself and personally change so that I can become the person that can take us to where we want to go, to where our vision is as a company to be able to move forward. So I'd say the biggest challenge is seeing within yourself and recognizing that, hey, I need to grow, I need to change. And if I'm not going to move, then no one else is gonna move. So I need to make sure I make that move. Now with staff, yeah, there's a lot of staff you've got to look at to say, hey, are they do they want to grow? Do they want to continue to move? Matter of fact, our values, since I wrote that's been written, um, our values, we actually changed it to fit to grow because we changed in, we like fit, but we wanted to add grow because the G stands for growth, and then the R is relentless. Again, these are attributes that I believe we've been as RMI for the last 20 years. So O is ownership and the W is workability, and the workability is a combination of all of those values tied together because if you're workable, you people know what to count on, they know what to expect. And that's what we're looking for in our staff and our team. Did you any specific steps you took to become a grower, a learner yourself?

Mark Wagner 20:30

Seeking co uh seeking knowledge, reading books, uh coaching. I I I was you know, I used to think that who's gonna teach me as a coach? And um mentorship has become huge for me and going to people to be able to coach.

Marc Bernstein 20:48

Well, you and I in fact met we can tell in in a course called Create Powerful. And in fact, Mark Maneri has been an uh was an early guest on the show probably three years ago. So for listeners, go back and listen to that um episode if you're interested, because it's I I know it's I don't want to speak for you, but it's for me, it's been an amazing experience.

Mark Wagner 21:09

Amazing life-changing.

Marc Bernstein 21:10

Yeah, yeah. So uh so bring let's we're here we are here we're here today.

Culture Coaching Legacy And Traction

Marc Bernstein 21:17

By the way, we only have about seven minutes left on the show, believe it or not. And if you're looking forward, because I know you're a forward thinker, um, and this is ten years from today, Mark, so it's we're now in 2036, and you're looking back on the last ten years, what would have to happen for you to feel that you progressed and grew in the way that you would um that would you with which you'd be satisfied over that 10 year period? So you and your company, of course.

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Mark Wagner 21:44

Okay. The uh 10 year vision, my vision to go from there. So i I I got a little context I need to give you to be able to tie it in. The context is this um I have a very good friend, very well off, and does Uh well. And um I asked him why is he working so hard. And he said, you know, my grandpa was just an amazing man. He was an absolutely amazing man. And I want my grandkids to say I'm an amazing man. And so I want to create to go from there. And I totally admired that. I thought it was incredible. But as time went, I got thinking about it a little bit more with what inspires me and what's the vision. So this is my personal, not my company vision, but my personal vision is in 10 years that I have um I don't really want with what my friends' comments were I don't want my grandkids or my kids to think I'm an amazing man. What I want is my grandkids to think that their parents or my kids are amazing.

Marc Bernstein 22:44

I love it.

Mark Wagner 22:45

So I have intentionally started taking time mentoring my children and mentoring other people that are within my office that want to go forward and be able to help them in any way I possibly can. Uh I encourage them to go to coaching. I've sent quite a few people in my staff to the pre create powerful course. Because I believe in that. And I believe that my what my intention and my vision would be 10 years from now is that when I come around people, they give me a hug and say, Thank you. You're you I think you're great. And I look and I see their kids looking at them, and their kids are like, My dad's Superman. Right? My mom is amazing. And look what she's done, and look who she is. That to me is my intention, and that's my purpose. That is that's big in and of itself. Do you have a vision for the company? We do, we do. I the uh actually it's kind of funny. Sat with my team and we talked about it a little bit, and my vision for within 10 years, 500 million. We want to do a half billion dollars in revenue. We um, you know, net profit is obviously in there, but there's a um there's a jet involved, and there is also a uh five-story building with its own personal restaurant that is gluten-free for one of my kids. That's his big purchase. That's his that was his big push. You know, and and I would say at that time, you know, I have two boys that work with me, and I intentionally went in the last year, went through and started looking at where we were going and w to get where I wanted to go. And I knew that I couldn't mentor them to get them where they needed to be. So I've hired staff and brought guys on that are mentoring me and mentoring my boys so they can become that person. I want their kids to see them as Superman. And I know that I don't have that ability to be able to create that as I am today. So I'm gonna work on myself and work on them at the same time. So it would be the other vision would be is that my boys have taken over to an extent of what they want and can continue to build the company.

Marc Bernstein 24:49

In my life, the leaders that I recognize as being the most powerful are the ones that are open to that personal growth and can develop and have humility about it. And you're one of those great, great leaders because it's amazing to me that you're always open, always um willing to share and um taking that, always taking it to the next level and looking at yourself first. That you hired somebody, a COO, to be your mentor is incredible to me.

Mark Wagner 25:18

Well, thank you. Can I ask you a question? Can I mix it up?

Marc Bernstein 25:20

Sure.

Mark Wagner 25:21

What did you get out of Create Powerful? I I did like what's one thing that you got that said, wow, that clicked for me.

Marc Bernstein 25:29

Um being very thoughtful about language and and its impact on your relationships with people. That's one of many things, but that's the first thing that occurs.

Mark Wagner 25:40

Good. Okay. I like it.

Marc Bernstein 25:41

You like the answer?

Mark Wagner 25:42

Yeah, I love it.

Marc Bernstein 25:43

So let's let's talk about. So you're a reader, I know that. You're a lifelong learner and a reader. What are you what are some of your favorite books, or what are you reading now?

Mark Wagner 25:52

Um my favorite book um would be Outwitting the Devil. So have you read it?

Mark Wagner 25:58

That is um that's Napoleon Hill, I was gonna say. I have not read it. I've read all the other books except for that one. I you know, I the all the other books are awesome. Love them too. This one it talks about how do you think? What what makes you think and what goes that way? And and I just it totally uh I I reference it constantly and recommend it.

Marc Bernstein 26:19

That's great.

Mark Wagner 26:20

To almost everybody I talk to.

Marc Bernstein 26:21

Thank you, because that's a reminder to me. It's on my list and I completely forgot about it. It's a great one. I I know it's a great one because all Napoleon Hill books are great. And that by the way, that's you know, not many people today know about Napoleon Hill, but you should all check out Think and Grow Rich and The Laws of Success. And those those are amazing books which hold as much water today as they ever did. They're really they're really prescient, you know.

Mark Wagner 26:43

Yeah.

Marc Bernstein 26:44

Um and let me ask you another question. I know you think about it because you already mentioned it, your legacy. Um, is there anything you want to add to what you already said about that? A

Mark Wagner 26:53

nything I want to add about my legacy. I think I've summed it up, Mark. Am I missing something?

Marc Bernstein 26:58

No, I think you have. It's a question that you wrote down to be asked, but you kind of already did answer.

Mark Wagner 27:03

Yeah, I kind of dove into it. I will answer a question, yes, or that what I'm reading now is traction. Yes. So which is from the EOS uh standards.

Marc Bernstein 27:12

So explain to what you've you've what you've gotten. You and I have talked about it, but for our listeners, because there's another great book as Geno Wickman, and uh who was a product of the strategic coach, which I talk a lot about on the show. You have 30 seconds to talk about what you like about traction.

Mark Wagner 27:28

It brings accountability. And I found myself being sloppy in accountability with my team. So if I was gonna sum it up in 30 seconds, it would be we need accountability, and you gotta have uh a direction, or else you just flounder in the minutia of everyday emails. And accountability is what traction and what EOS brings. So I know you've had another guest type speak of it in the past.

Marc Bernstein 27:51

Several, I think, yeah. But Mark Wagner, thanks so much for being here. This is a long time coming, and for me it was worth the wait. So so glad you could be here today.

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Thank you, Mark.

Marc Bernstein 28:01

Thank you all for listening, and we'll see you next week on Founders Forum.

Closing And Next Steps

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