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The Magic of Focus in Business with Tyler Jensen
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Ever wondered why a magic trick can hold your attention more than your own to-do list? Business strategist and keynote speaker Tyler Jensen joins Founders' Forum to explain what magic, focus, and top performance have in common, and why distraction might be costing you more than you think.
In this episode, Marc Bernstein and co-host Steve Berardi sit down with Tyler, KSL's 2025 Business Coach of the Year, to unpack his journey from corporate IT trainer to insurance agency owner to founder of Top Performance Group. Tyler shares how a near financial disaster in his own agency pushed him to study what separates top performers from everyone else, and how that research became a repeatable framework for business owners.
Key takeaways:
- Why "optimism" originally meant best, not just positive thinking
- The four pillars of top performance: optimism, systems, power, and focus
- How Tyler helped agents hit 90%+ client retention by selling on education, not price
- The three complacency traps that quietly derail business owners
- Why Tyler and his wife built FocusGate, a classroom app tackling phone-driven distraction in schools
- The "silly, sour, sweet" family habit that keeps Tyler focused on everyday magic
About Tyler Jensen:
Tyler Jensen is a nationally recognized business strategist and speaker who helps individuals and teams achieve top performance through systems, focus, and optimism. He was named KSL 5's Business Coach of the year in 2025. He combines real-world experience with practical frameworks to help people grow their business and lead with confidence.
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Why Magic Grabs Our Attention
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Marc BernsteinGood morning, America. How are you? My co-host for the show, Steve Berardi, president and founder of Omni Building Group, LLC, who's in the business of new residential construction and residential and commercial renovations. And our guest today is Tyler, who I will introduce formally in a minute. But in the meantime, uh good morning, Tyler. Good morning, Steve.
Tyler JensenGood morning.
Marc BernsteinTyler, I have a topic for you. And this the there's there's a little the name of it the topic is is about thing things being revealed. So in a minute it'll be revealed why this is the topic, but the topic is magic. And I was just thinking about magic both as a show business kind of thing and magic as um things something that happens, in my opinion, every day in real life, if you look for it. So tell tell us about magic and how it's influenced your life.
Tyler JensenYeah, absolutely, Marc. Now, for those of you listening, I am a magician, and that's why Marc brings this up is I love to perform magic. So there's the first reveal there keynotes and speaking in my teachings. Now, one thing that I love about magic, I actually my background into magic, it was actually ironic. My wife and I were watching America's Got Talent, and it was when Matt Franco won the first year, and then the next year they had John Dornboss, who was Philadelphia Eagles. Philly guy, yeah. And he was he was on the show, made it to the finals, and I looked at the the the magic and I was like, I bet you I could learn that.
Marc BernsteinBy the way, I just have to tell you. Can I tell you so so I you may know this, but John Dornboss. So I've had events with him and I've seen him do his magic, but he tells his story. He had a very crazy um childhood where if I have it right, I believe his father killed his mother. He comes home one day and finds his parents are dead. And very, very painful. And magic was what was was what saved his life. And magic was also what got him in the NFL, if you read his whole story, which is really interesting. So anyway, go ahead.
Tyler JensenYeah, and so I I loved that, and I was like, okay, I can I bet I could learn this. And so I started practicing magic, I started performing, I started learning these. I actually met John as well at a conference and told him that story of why I got into magic was because I watched him, and we actually spent almost two hours together after the show. Nice, and he taught me some of his tricks and some of those things, and it was a great conversation. He was a magic mentor too, yes, for two hours before his plane had to get to the airport. So we wow, cool. It was it was fun, and what the reason why I love magic so much is it draws people's attention. People become so focused in wanting to see the magic, experience the magic, catch the magician, figure out what it is, and not wanting to be tricked, right? But we all love to be tricked, but right, and that's why it makes it fun. But we also want to discover it, right? We want to figure things out, right? And people put a lot of focus and attention into that. And I love that concept because we live in a distracted world. Um, we're connected, more connected than any time in history. All right, I'm connecting with you over in Philadelphia and I'm in Utah.
Marc BernsteinYep.
Tyler JensenYeah right? 20 years ago would be like, how's that even possible?
Marc BernsteinRight.
Tyler JensenBut we're so connected, and yeah, human connection is fading because we're so distracted. And I actually have a trick for you here to show you that.
Marc BernsteinCool.
Tyler JensenSo here we have these three cards, and I I can't. If you're listening on audio, we'll just we'll describe what happens.
Marc BernsteinOkay, gotcha.
Tyler JensenSo we have these three cards. Yep. And the thing is, I'll actually show these to you. We have the Jack Two and Seven. And the thing about it is oftentimes people will never even notice when these change.
Marc BernsteinIt just changed to Queen, King, and Jack. I don't know how that happened, but it happened.
Tyler JensenMagic. Just like that with those three cards. That distraction, we lose the focus, and it's easy to lose focus. And the thing about that in in life is when we lose focus on things that matter most, when we're distracted, we miss the little things. We miss the little moments that can be magical and provide experience of our day. Every day we're meant to gain experience, and that's the magic behind it.
Finding Everyday Magic With Kids
Tyler JensenI was literally, my wife and I do something fun with our kids every day at dinner. We do what's called silly sour sweet. And we have three kids, and they share what was sour or silly about their day, something that's funny that made them laugh, made them smile, something that's sour, so we can learn that yes, every day we have things that suck and are awful, and those trials, but that's part of life. And then what's sweet, and how we can learn from those and the good things about the day. And it's just those little things that can make a big difference when we just focus on the case.
Marc BernsteinDid you guys create that or did you hear that somewhere?
Tyler JensenMy wife created that. I'll give her a lot of things. Really creative?
Marc BernsteinWell, good for her. That's really cool. I may take. I'm hoping to have grandchildren soon, and I'm gonna I'm gonna use that. So I felt like that. That's great.
Tyler JensenThat is the cutest thing you say. I oh, we we look for stuff now, right? We look for silly things, and that's the magic of life. My the other day, my three-year-old, we were having breakfast, and she stood up on her chair and stood on one foot and held her toast and said, Dad, look, I'm standing on one foot and holding my bread. She was so proud of herself. That's right. That's right. That just made me laugh.
Marc BernsteinThat is so cool, right?
Tyler JensenYeah, and it's the magic that you know a three-year-old can bring to your life when we just focus.
Marc BernsteinHey, listen, our our 28 minutes on the show goes really quickly. So that was so great. We could talk just about that for the whole show. But I now want to introduce Tyler Jensen, who is a rec nationally recognized business strategist and speaker who helps individuals and teams achieve top performance through systems, focus, and optimism. He was named KSL's five KSL Five's Business Coach of the Year in 2025. He combines real world real world experience with practical frameworks to help people grow their business and lead with confidence. And let's get into
Choosing Entrepreneurship To Serve More
Marc Bernsteinit. You had a your family all were in education, and and it makes sense because you have a passion for teaching and sharing knowledge and helping others improve their lives. However, despite that background, you went for entrepreneurship. Despite your uh passion for teaching, sharing knowledge, and helping others improve their lives, uh, you gravitated towards a riskier way of life, which was entrepreneurship. How did that happen? And you describe yourself as the black sheep of the family for that too.
Tyler JensenYes, yes, absolutely. And that happens a lot of just my drive to, I would say, help others and serve others. Um I I'm an individual where when I learn something and something's helped me or something's blessed me, I want to share that. I want to be able to make somebody's life better. I want to be able to um improve in that way. And entrepreneurship was just a way that I could see myself doing that. Um not necessarily in a search for money, but with more money, the more people can help, right? The more time freedom you have, the more you can serve. Um, and so there's a lot of benefits that come from owning a business that related to those values of wanting to be able to serve and help more people and to be able to influence others. And I think that was kind of one of those main drives since a young age. I was always looking for ways I could do that.
Marc BernsteinInteresting. So, um, and I know you had little businesses like like we did, I did as well, long care, you know, cutting grass, right? Yeah at that point. Yeah.
Tyler Jensen14-year-old.
Marc BernsteinYep, that's about that's about the age. Yep, got it. So uh you uh but then you got out and you worked as actually a corporate i IT trainer at a university for a while, right?
Tyler JensenSo that was I did, yeah. Weaver state.
Marc BernsteinAnd how did how how did you like that? Because that's not necessarily entrepreneurial.
Tyler JensenIt is not, it's not entrepreneurial, but I loved the aspect because I had a lot of a lot of freedom with training. And we did outsource training, we did in-source training at the university, and it allowed me to use a lot of my creative skills as well as design skills. I'm also an artist, and so I love that aspect. So I was actually a more of a software trainer for that university. So Adobe, Microsoft, how to use these to either better your classroom or better the business that we'd outsource those classes to.
Marc BernsteinUm, so after that, you then did get in your first entrepreneurial uh deal in the insurance business, right?
Tyler JensenI did, yeah. Uh for some reason I opened a scratch insurance agency. Don't ask me how it happened. That's how a lot of us find ourselves in that industry.
Marc BernsteinRight, right, right, exactly. It just happened. Probably recruited, I guess.
Tyler JensenYeah, I was. Right.
Marc BernsteinSo um you then it happened to me too. You then spent uh six to seven years as a corporate trainer after that, after having a successful agency, correct?
Tyler JensenCorrect. So I ran the agency for about two years, after which time the RVP approached me and saying, hey, our corporate trainer is gonna be moving to a new position. That position is opening up. I know you have background in corporate training and you've done a wellness agency. Would you want to take that position? And that was a tough decision, right? Because here I am, I'm an entrepreneur, I own a business. Making money. Um but I I looked at training in two facets, and this is why even today, when people say, Well, why why don't you continue to open an agency or why don't you continue to do this? When I took that position, I said, Okay, right, as an insurance agent, at most, right, I'll be able to help a thousand to two thousand people. Right, those are good agencies. If I become a trainer, I could help 200 agents, help 2,000 to 1,000 people. And now my impact is well over a million and how many lives I could bless in that way. And my service mindset kind of drove me to that position of how can I have this impact to share my knowledge, share what I've learned to help and bless others as much as I could.
Marc BernsteinIt goes back to your interest in helping others improve their lives, going way back to your family instincts and everything. Um so while you were there, I'll just read this because you you had I know that retention in the insurance business, in the life insurance business, is somewhere between 11 and 15 percent after four years in the business. And you your agent retention rates after training hundreds of agents was about fifty to sixty percent. That's pretty amazing.
Tyler JensenYeah.
Marc BernsteinAnd how did you do that? I know there were some things you studied and learned
Retention Through Human Connection
Marc Bernsteinduring that time that helped you with that.
Tyler JensenAbsolutely. And the number one thing that I saw within there was first off, you have to make a human connection. And when it comes to insurance, you had to break the script. So I taught all of our agents how to sell based on education and not price. And so the agents that I trained or and still trained, they never focus on price, even if their companies do, right? That's what everybody advertises. So we'll save you on insurance, save money, save money, save money. The reason they want that is because the insurance company wants you to sell the cheapest policies. So they don't have to pay out on the back end. Right.
Marc BernsteinRight, it's risk avoidance on their part, right?
Tyler JensenExactly. And so just teaching agents how to sell and how to educate through sales allowed them to actually make connections with clients that increase their attention, reduce their turnover. Our agents who have stayed have over 90% retention of their clients. And for an insurance agent, that's huge. Most of the time it's 60 to 70% turnover of your clients every year. Because when they come to Yon Price, they leave you on price.
Marc BernsteinNow that you say our agents, are you still connected with Foreign Bureau?
Tyler JensenUm, I'm not connected with Foreign Bureau anymore, but I I call them my agents because I spent so much time with them as well. Um, even the agents that I help within the top performance group who have gone through our program and who I've consulted, I'll still call them my agents because they're creating this impact out on a world that I've had a part of.
Marc BernsteinSo we're gonna stop there because it's break time for a minute, and then we're gonna talk about two entrepreneurial activities that began right after that. So, right after this.
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Staying Friends Beyond Business
Marc BernsteinWe are back on Founders Forum with our guest today, Tyler Jensen. And Steve Birardi is in the studio with me. And Steve, I know, has a question for you, Tyler.
Steve BerardiTyler, uh, it sounds like uh everybody you trained, did you end up becoming friends with them? Do they, because of your influence, do they constantly ask you your for your advice going forward?
Tyler JensenA lot of them do remain friends. Um, I'm in contact with a lot of them still to this day, and a lot of my clients as well within the top performance group, I stay in contact with. Um, I recently actually just started a mastermind um that's free to attend, but it's invite only. And so I still get to see a lot of those individuals uh on a by-week every other week basis. And that's one thing I'm a big proponent of is I don't believe in paid relationships. I'm gonna be friends with you well after um whether we do business or even don't do business. And that's just one thing I love doing.
Marc BernsteinI love that. Uh I and I'm I'm imagining that some of the agents at Foreign Bureau might even be clients of Top Performance Group. Would that be right or not? Not necessarily.
Tyler JensenYes, yep. There were several that I did join.
Marc BernsteinYep. That's why when you said IR agents before, I was thinking that you still you were still connected with them. I figured that must be the case. So that's pretty cool. So tell us about Top Performance Group. And
Four Pillars Of Top Performance
Marc Bernsteinwe believe it or not, we have less than 12 minutes left. So we're gonna do that. And I also want to make sure we talk about focus gate, because that's really interesting.
Tyler JensenPerfect. I think the best way to describe top performance group is really what we get to teach is the psychology and really the science of a top performer. And that's what makes it so unique when we help these business owners. Is over probably two or three years, as I was working with agents, I always knew I wanted to do my thing and help and deepen that time period. But there's a moment when I actually owned an agency and I was sitting back and forth between a payroll check I was writing and my business bank account, deciding, okay, I gotta write this out of my personal checking account. Thinking, okay, how does this even, how do I even continue, right? How do I grow this? And that happened due to the fact that I had a policy, it was my first policy that ever canceled on me. And they only stayed with me for a few weeks. So I got paid on the account, $12,000 check on that account, and then it canceled. So an insurance had to backpay it. And so here it was. I went and backpaid a check to the company for $12,000, now thinking, great, what do I do to bring my payroll check this month? Right. And that was kind of a catalyst to decide, okay, how do these agents make it, right? What do top performers do? And that's what started me on this study of top performance and looking at that and researching it, trying to decide is there a pattern, is there frameworks, is there something that can be modeled for individuals to have top performance? And I discovered that in my research, there's actually things that keep people from it. That was the three thing I discovered first before I discovered our four pillars. Was the thing keeping people from top performance is complacency. And we get into our own way, we're distracted, we decide to be busy, and I foremost.
Marc BernsteinDistraction has come up a lot today, and it's gonna come up again. Yeah, so interesting.
Tyler JensenIt has. And yeah, so we developed the three complacency models, and to describe those, we describe the first pillar of top performance, which is optimism. And optimism doesn't mean what a lot of people think it means, Mark and Steve. It means best. The Latin word for optimism meant best. In its later translations, it got translated into positive or happy or outgoing, but in its original context, it was simply best. Are we providing the best experience? Are we doing what's best for the customers? Are we providing the best experience for our employees? Are we becoming the best version of ourselves? Right? If you just think of, oh, optimism is just positive, and you just have to be positive. Well, if you're positive all the time, you miss empathy. Sometimes people don't need positive, they need empathy, they need connection, they need your best version to help them. And so we teach that first off, and then from there, when we're taking these good actions, we actually get busy. And that's the first thing that business owners face in life and businesses, they just become busy. And we call that complacently busy because you're just going from one thing without structure. And then our second pillar pulls you out of that, and that's systems. And so, how do we create systems for employees, for sales, for marketing research, um, ourselves? And that pulls us out of busyness, but then we get in our own way again, and we become our natural complacent state where our brain says, Oh, that didn't work, that failed, that was a failure, you got yelled at, don't do it again. And then we're stuck in our own way, and people become distracted, and they spend two hours just I'll just scroll, I'll just do the things that are easy. And then our last two pillars get you to top performance, power and focus. And from there, that's your own uniqueness, and that's focusing on things that matter most. And then you experience top performance, and you're just like, this day was awesome! I did this, and then you fall into the third, which is the self-made, where you say, Oh, I'm good. I don't need to change anything now. I made it to the top, and then really the the pattern is daily discipline. That's like the ultimate complacency. Every single day.
Marc BernsteinYep. That self-made is the ultimate self-self-complacency uh form of complacency, right? I mean, it is.
Tyler JensenYep.
Marc BernsteinSo interesting. Oh, I'm gonna move on from that because I want to make sure we cover Focus Gate, which there is a theme
Focus Gate And Phone-Free Classrooms
Marc Bernsteinhere. So let's tell tell us about what Focus Gate is. Yeah, Focus Gate. And by the way, you were found, I just want to point out founder of Top Performance Group, which is still going on with it with a team of consultants. And the Then there's focusgate.
Tyler JensenYeah, so focus gate actually derived from a early challenge of the top performance group, right? Because there's gonna be challenges in business. Right out of the gate, focus gate was not as successful as I anticipated. There was other foresee factors that we weren't expecting that came up, which then caused my wife to go back to work. Uh she was a stay-at-home mom for years, and she went back to work. She was a teacher, she's a teacher before, um, physics teacher, and she went back to work, and that's where this problem really discovered is the issue of these cell phones. She saw it before, she saw she was a private tutor as a stay-at-home mom the whole time as well. But she saw this issue of cell phones. From there, we decided, okay, well, what can we do about this? This is a major issue plaguing America and teachers all over the place. And so then we decided to say, okay, well, what if we just like signal jammed these cell phones? And it was like our our business partner that we brought in and said, Oh, that doesn't work. And so we actually developed a mobile app that solves the issue of cell phones in the classroom. It gives teachers full governance, so students download it day one and integrates with the software. So when they enter class, the phone enters a focus mode, eliminating all distractions. But then it keeps emergency context such as parents or medical apps needed for the student. And then the teacher can decide what they want for the class period. So with one click, they can open up an app or a website or a resource on the student's devices. They can use class period and another click and it goes back into focus mode. And that's focus gate, it's educational tech.
Marc BernsteinSo I think it's ingenious. I see a couple of challenges. One's I know Steve wants to ask you about.
Steve BerardiYeah, uh, do do par you know, will parents give you pushback about this?
Tyler JensenOh, that's a great question, Steve. From a lot of the the conversations we've had with parents, is first off, they think that they love the fact that student cell phones are gonna be the distractions are gone. Right? Because a lot of students are concerned of the of two things. They're concerned about safety with their kids and being able to communicate. Then they're also concerned of the fact that we know that the presence of cell phones is decreasing test scores, it decreases cognitive performance by 20%, and parents are aware of that. And so with our solution, they actually have a parent portal. So if the parents designated the emergency contact, they can still get through to their child. In an emergency, we have emergency protocols. So not only do all phones instantly unlocked, but notifications are sent to parents and students on the exact next steps that the school wants them to take in that emergency.
Marc BernsteinSo it's again, I'm sorry.
Tyler JensenOh, I said it's m it's organized, right? It allows everybody to be on the same page, and parents have loved that aspect.
Marc BernsteinAnd you have it operating in pilot programs now or in in actual working programs now in schools?
Tyler JensenSo we're starting our pilot schools kind of January of this year. Um we're gonna start in the private sector, and then from there we'll move into the public sectors after that.
Marc BernsteinInteresting. Um any other challenges that you see with it?
The Fight Against Social Media Distraction
Tyler JensenYeah, this is a this is a good question. My wife and I were traveling up to Yellowstone and I shared this thought with her this l weekend, honestly, and I said, I feel like the biggest competitor on our app that will block out all these distractions for students is our our big social media companies. When you think about it, this was a research done by one of our board members, Stanford Kind, they're in 10,000 schools, and they surveyed students and they asked them how often do you spend time on your cell phone? And 95% of students said they spend 90 minutes or more on their cell phone every day. And when you look at that, and we're stealing 90 minutes per student away from these social media companies, we're our IT team's gonna have to, I feel, is gonna have to block these social media's workarounds on trying to get notifications through to these students.
Marc BernsteinSo it's gonna be a technology battle for the hearts and minds for of our school children, unfortunately. You're battling battling the big guys. Hey, real quick, because believe it or not, we're out
Favorite Book And Fast Closing
Marc Bernsteinof time, but real quick, I know you're a voracious reader. What are your favorite books? We've got about 20 seconds to answer that.
Tyler JensenOh, favorite books. One of them is from a mentor of mine, uh Rory Vaden. He actually mentored me through keynote speaking and everything. It's called Take the Stairs. Uh love this book. It's all about um success and doing the hard things that normal people don't want to do.
Marc BernsteinWhat's Roy's last name?
Tyler JensenRory Vaden.
Marc BernsteinRory. Yeah. V-A-D-E-N.
Tyler JensenYep.
Marc BernsteinGot it. V-A-D-E-N. Just want to make sure people got that. I never heard that one. Great book. Okay, good. Yeah.
Tyler JensenTake the stairs. Don't take the elevator escalator. Take the stairs. Do those things that people, normal people don't want to do.
Marc BernsteinAll right. Take the stairs. On that note, thank you for being here, Tyler. It's a great show. It always flies by. Steve, thanks again for being here. Thank you all for listening. And we'll see you next week on Founders Forum.
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